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It's nice to know that your profession is held in such high esteem by the general public. The BBC has a story on the TUC's unpaid overtime survey, and the comments on "lecturers and their thirteen week paid holidays each year" are making me depressed and furious by turns.

In accord

Date: 2005-02-25 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ngma.livejournal.com
I totally sympathise as they never appreciate that you don't get 13 weeks paid holiday per se as you're working/planning for the next term etc.

Re: In accord

Date: 2005-02-25 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ias.livejournal.com
More importantly if you are a University lecturer (as opposed to FE teachers who are often called lecturers), you are doing research or chasing research funding which is the thing which actually brings money into the University.

i suspect

Date: 2005-02-25 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fire-kitten.livejournal.com
that accusation is levelled more at teachers, as very few people understand what a lecturer does, it's not true that teachers have that much 'paid holiday' either, but i think that'\s always been the general perception.

perhaps a solutions is to properly factor preparation time into term time, and never have 'school' holidays????

Re: i suspect

Date: 2005-02-25 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
That wouldn't work, because the people who are having a go at teachers are assuming that when the students aren't there, the teachers aren't working. So unless you eliminate the long school holidays and make the school day as long as the working day, I don't think this would persuade people how hard teachers are actually working.

Date: 2005-02-25 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
Sadly, it's this myth that lecturers do nothing but sit around and think deep thoughts that has allowed governments to treat the university sector like shit for the last twenty-five years. It's very depressing that all these people seem to think that classes just happen, and that if you're not actually in front of a body of students, then you're not really working.

Date: 2005-02-25 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makyo.livejournal.com
The first rule of BBC News Club is: Don't read the comments...

Date: 2005-02-25 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.com
Mm, as an Associate Lecturer with the OU I only get paid for the months during which my course is presented (i.e. 8 months of the year). The pay is based on a notional number of hours per week, which was set AFAICT purely to meet minimum wage requirements, not based on the amount of time it actually takes to do the job properly. Most OU lecturers I know spend substantially longer on their work than the hours/week on their contract, often 2 or 3 times longer.

Date: 2005-02-25 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brisingamen.livejournal.com
Speaking as a student, admittedly not a very traditional student, I'd just like to note that I personally have the most profound respect and admiration for everyone who teaches, at all levels, but most particularly at present for those teaching at tertiary level who have to somehow fit in the planning, the teaching, the marking, the research, the writing up, the endless bloody meetings ... It's a mystery to me how my seminar leader manages to turn up and teach enthusiastically every week, and a mystery to me why I think I would like to do this as well at some point.

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