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  • First off, the drums are clearly beating along to the Doctor Who theme tune, probably the arrangement introduced in season 18. Certainly not the current arrangement.

  • Second, John Simm makes a good Master, but I wasn't overly impressed with the episode as a whole. Not quite as dark as I might have liked.

  • USS Valiant is quite clearly the Helicarrier from S.H.I.E.L.D., which opens up a whole bunch of UNIT/S.H.I.E.L.D. crossovers.

  • The Master watching the Teletubbies is a rather sweet homage to the Master watching the Clangers

  • "Oh no, not another invasion of creatures from another dimension intent on eliminating humanity"


Date: 2007-06-23 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fuzzygoth.livejournal.com
Yeah that was my first thought as well I was expecting the Hoff to
turn up as Nick Fury and shoot the Master with his needle gun, personally I agree and don't think he was very evil it was like he was trying to be tom baker rolled in with sylvester McCoy.

Date: 2007-06-23 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinguthegreek.livejournal.com
I feel as if it was just a bit too big for a penultimate episode.

Date: 2007-06-23 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
I don't think the Zeroids ;P are from another dimension. I did have a theory that they are Something To Do With That Last Dalek. ;)

Date: 2007-06-23 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Oh my god. You're quite right - they're zeroids.

How could I have missed that?

Date: 2007-06-23 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
Heh. So they are. D'you think it's going to turn out that Windsor Davies is actually behind the invasion?

Date: 2007-06-23 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
I had a sort of flash in my head a few months ago that might work as a Big Finish or something - a UNIT veteran left with serious psychlogical trauma after a botched mission 30-odd years ago is living somewhere in the middle of nowhere, gradually going out of his teeny-tiny. The aliens responsible for it have Done Something to his head. And now they're back.

And that's why Windsor Davies turns up as a down-and-out in London with a shedload of weaponry and the belief that God is coming to judge us all...

Needs to be done. Windsor Davies and the Ice Warriors. ;)

Date: 2007-06-23 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
<windsordavies>Now, there's lovely!<windsordavies>

Date: 2007-06-23 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
Jesus! Be careful, man! If there's one thing the web doesn't need, it's an unclosed windsordavies tag!

IM IN UR INTARWEBS CALLIN YEWS A POOFBOY

Date: 2007-06-23 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
</windsordavies></windsordavies>

How's that?

Date: 2007-06-23 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
Thank you. I can now breathe a non-Welsh-accented sigh of relief.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
Well..... I'm thinking Welsh, and (allegedly) queer as a nine bob note... he'd fit brilliantly into the RTD-whoniverse ;)

Date: 2007-06-24 10:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Yup - I was assuming Daleks as well, up until the rift opened. Having a finale without Daleks would be nice though.

Date: 2007-06-25 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
That's not my theory. I think the Doctor's story about Timelord childhood initiation ceremonies may have some bearing... "Some were inspired... some ran away... some went mad."
"If I told you, your hearts would break!"
"Down you go, kids."

Date: 2007-06-25 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-condition.livejournal.com
The souls of six billion insane timelord children?

Good god that would be a biggie.

Date: 2007-06-25 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Yeesh.

Still, it's good to see the Timelords painted as downright malicious (re: the initiation ceremony)

Date: 2007-06-23 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
My first thought was "Oh, a Russell T Davies episode. So, light on the plot and heavy on the CGI aliens, then?" And he didn't disappoint. Grr.

Have you been watching Jekyll? Last week's was written Stephen Moffat. I don't know if he's done the whole thing, though, and I haven't seen tonight's yet.

James Nesbitt was Very Scary in the first one, last week, I thought.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ias.livejournal.com
We missed it last week (due to garklet wakings) and had hoped they'd be a repeat during the week on Three or Four but there wasn't, so waiting for the proper summer repeat on one or t'other of the digital channels that there's bound to be.

Date: 2007-06-24 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hsw.livejournal.com
I was a bit miffed they didn't repeat it on terrestrial, actually. At some time that didn't clash with Moffat's Who episode, so that those people who'd been told it was written by the same guy could have watched it.

And since we don't have cable, we'll miss the repeat *sigh*

H

Date: 2007-06-23 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earth-magic.livejournal.com
My first thought when I saw USS Valiant was Captain Scarlet and Cloudbase 9

Date: 2007-06-23 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
That's the other choice, but I'm slightly too young to have watched Captain Scarlet.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frostfox.livejournal.com
I thought Cloudbase too, but I am an old fogie.

The floating alien balls reminded me of the floating mines in the utterly, utterly fabulous DS9 episode The Seige of AR558 - floating mines in subspace, impossible to detect until they came into realspace to explode. The scene where they come into our dimension, above and around and next to Our Heroes was really spooky, not to mention what Sisko does with them, which was chilling. If you ever get a chance to watch that episode do, it's brilliant.

FF

Date: 2007-06-25 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clarehooper.livejournal.com
Oh, that really is a brilliant episode.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com
That's why we have DVDs in our reality.

Date: 2007-06-23 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
At the risk of committing sacrilege, I don't actually much like Gerry Anderson puppet shows. Thunderbirds was about the best of the bunch, at least as far as the model work went. Fireball XL5 was dreadful. I never understood the fuss over Captain Scarlet (I've seen bits of a couple of episodes, but what I saw didn't inspire me). Stingray was so-so. Thunderbirds featured the vocal stylings of Windsor Davies, but apart from the jolly closing sequence had little to recommend it. I've never seen Supercar, and have no desire to do so. Joe 90 - I spent much of my childhood being called Joe 90, and I've *still* never seen any of it. I understand that it's about a child who wears glasses.

I'd far sooner watch Space:1999 than any of the puppet shows. Hell, I'd even watch UFO.

Date: 2007-06-24 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmcray.livejournal.com
"Joe 90" had very high production values. Which was always GA's thing. The later shows just *look* better (imo). I'd like to see "The Sectet Service" again.

Date: 2007-06-24 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Alas, high production values don't necessarily make for good television.

Date: 2007-06-24 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
Everyone forgets Terrahawks. :(

Alas, only the start of an episode, and it's not a great one. Got the whole lot on DVD for my Dad, though.

I can only assume from the comments above that the Zeroids showed up somewhere else too, or there are two things called Zeriods. I might actually have a reason to watch Doctor Who if they are the same, and they get the ending credits right.

(Just remember that evil doesn't always fight fair.)

Date: 2007-06-23 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
Nah I thought SHIELD too.

Wazzallthis about Clangers?

I loved the one-line blowaway of how many yrs of fanwankery about the Master being the Doctor's bro!

Also.. c'mon.. a quite subtle amount of Blair nuances??

Date: 2007-06-23 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
Oh fab!!

That's from a real episode!?

Date: 2007-06-23 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Yes, it's from the Sea Devils.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com
Yes, Steven IDed it as Cloudbase. I loved the interior design of the Valiant though.

Date: 2007-06-23 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com
And, as [livejournal.com profile] antonia_tiger has pointed out, it now has an indestructible Captain aboard :-)

Date: 2007-06-24 08:26 am (UTC)
ext_17706: (cloudbase)
From: [identity profile] perlmonger.livejournal.com
Yep. Instant squeee! here, I'm afraid.

I don't suppose we'll see Martha saving the day piloting an Angel Interceptor next week, though :)

bloody awful tosh

Date: 2007-06-24 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] titanic-days.livejournal.com
Yesh, Cloudbase, surely. I'm glad somebody else spotted that.

There were two plots here; one interesting and character-driven and one all CGI and frothy. No prizes for guessing which one Russell went for. Oh look, they're coming out of the sky again. And from the preview it looks like there's going to be a little resistance with guns. How sodding original.

Maybe it means they're going to open the rift again. Rose and Mickey could knock some sense into the writers.

The last episode had better have a sting in the tail.

Date: 2007-06-24 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andre-powell.livejournal.com
Good the first thing I thought was Cloudbase, however, the first thing that I noticed was the direct reference (without naming it) to the SEP field, ie you don't really notice something. Its the same in Torchwood for the entrance.
Not tooo sure if Douglas Adams would be honoured by the use of his idea or cheesed that they hadn't thought of some thing else, we will never know.

Date: 2007-06-24 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Given that he recycled the never-finshed Tom Baker story Shada (cancelled due to industrial action) as Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, he probably wouldn't have too much to complain about.

More directly than that.

Date: 2007-06-25 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ah-see-argh.livejournal.com
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency also borrowed a chunk out of "City of Death", I doubt that "Shada" being finished would have stopped Douglas Adams reusing chunks of it;-)

Re: More directly than that.

Date: 2007-06-25 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Good call - I'd been trying (and failing) to remember the name of the other Who story he borrowed.
From: [identity profile] andylandy.livejournal.com
Judging by past experience, they're going to turn out to be Daleks, escaping from the Void.

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