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Some years ago, back when I was in sixth form and trying to decide what I wanted to study at University, the BBC broadcast a Horizon documentary on novel interfaces for computers, which was presented by Douglas Adams and Tom Baker. The documentary presented a future information system in which you could follow links between documents, images and videos, with software "agents" that helped you find things. More than anything else, it was a novel documentary by itself; how better to show what a new information system might be like, than to film the documentary as if it were being presented by that information system.

The memory of this documentary, Hyperland, stayed with me, and was one of the reasons why I decided to read computer science rather than electronics (this book and this book were the other reasons). Moving forward a few years, I first came across the Web in the autumn of 1993, with the release of the Mosaic browser (I can still remember various of my contemporaries, possibly including [livejournal.com profile] evildespot and [livejournal.com profile] perdita_fysh, telling me that the Web wouldn't come to anything).

The early Web was quite exhilarating, but it still didn't live up to the promise of Hyperland. I graduated and moved to Cambridge. As I got more disillusioned with my employer (a certain large Scandinavian mobile telecoms company that isn't Ericsson), I spent more time reading academic papers on the subject of hypertext and agents. In order to get a better grounding in AI, I studied for my Masters in Edinburgh. After that, I looked around for PhD places, and found that the University of Southampton was the place to go in the UK if you wanted to do research on hypertext.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Date: 2006-09-26 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perdita-fysh.livejournal.com
I remember that bit. You were web-boy, full of the glories of the new technology of HTTP. I thought it was a truly horrendous waste of bandwidth that couldn't ever possibly suceed because those links which happily sustained rooms full of us on command line would collapse in minutes if more than a couple decided to start ferrying that amount of data around all the time. How could it ever possibly survive?

Date: 2006-09-26 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Can I now declare victory, or will you insist on waiting for a few more years to see if the Web collapses under the weight of video blogs and home-made pornography?

Date: 2006-09-26 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perdita-fysh.livejournal.com
You can declare victory as long as you do so from a WAP enabled phone in a GPRS only area via the graphical user interface here on LJ.

Date: 2006-09-26 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Sad to say, I could do so from a telnet session, but not from my phone.

Date: 2006-09-27 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
Damn. It won't let me log in. I can post new entries by email from the phone, but I've never tried the actual mobile LJ interface. I've still only found a few things (notably fastmail's mail interface) which actually work on a simple phone, i.e. my little not-running-Windows-Mobile Motorola.

But you understand, I did have to try :)

Date: 2006-09-27 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothick-matt.livejournal.com
collapses under the weight of video blogs and home-made pornography

Heh. I was wondering the other day whether anyone's given serious thought to a stream encoder which favours predominantly pink scenes, mostly static but with repetitive sections, and is particularly good at compressing audio with 70's wah-wah'd guitars...

Date: 2006-09-26 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I recall him talking about HTML and saying something like "Ordinary people will be able to use the internet!"

I said that ordinary people would never want to...

I've never been particularly prescient, but that comment was a low point even for me.

~Katie

Date: 2006-09-26 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
To be fair, I didn't envisage that the killer app of the web would be e-commerce, and thought that a combination of collaborative open library and social space would be more likely. Does this make me Web2.0 before my time?

Date: 2006-09-26 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinguthegreek.livejournal.com
Wow, it's funny how the power or television works. And it's interesting to know a bit more about you. It's so funny to think that you and I grew up sort of in the same place...

Date: 2006-09-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Indeed. It really was a life-changing documentary, and I've gone on to meet and work with some of the people that were in it.

Date: 2006-09-26 11:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zotz
Tom Baker was the first thing I thought of when the librarian was introduced in Snow Crash.

Date: 2006-09-26 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Oddly enough, I didn't. I suspect that's because I've met enough middle-aged academic librarians to have a good idea of the stereotype that Stephenson was playing to (and which Tom Baker, as Tom the Software Agent, doesn't fit).

The Golden Age of Television.

Date: 2006-09-26 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killtest.livejournal.com
Long since having taken the decision to dump the goggle box, the one thing I miss more than comedy shows is documentaries. Let me qualify that, interesting documentaries. When I was getting rid of the video tapes I mentioned that a significant portion were documentaries and a few people who requested tapes were enquiring after specific ones. Some I had.

Ridiculously I kept a few. No tv, but a box of tapes, including two of my faviourites, Red Star In Orbit (about Korolev, the Soviet Chief Designer) and Billy, How Did You Do It? concerning Billy Wilder. Both three part investigations. I think it would be safe to say that BBC2 (and later to a degree, early Channel 4) played a better part in my general education than my schooling.

I regret that television-commissioned documentaries - decent films in their own right, just not fiction... - rarely get released as DVD, or made available in some high quality format, beyond the original broadcasts and subsequent repeats. People read non-fiction, but a concomitant amount of non-fiction just doesn't appear available in the corresponding visual media market.

Re: The Golden Age of Television.

Date: 2006-09-26 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
The World At War is available on DVD. I watched it through about a year back. Fantastic stuff, and avoids many of the failings of modern documentaries (constant repetition and padding with snazzy graphics being the chief among them).

Re: The Golden Age of Television.

Date: 2006-09-26 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killtest.livejournal.com
This is why I said 'rarely' rather than never. I appreciate that certain, high-profile documentaries - especially series, which have a tendency to be popularist - do get a release.

I don't know whether it's a sign of the times that as the audio-visual tech gets cheaper, documentaries become more reliant upon them. I am not worried by the technology used, merely that, as it seemed to become more extensive, the MANNER of documentaries became considerably less refined. To use the media's own label 'dumbed down.' Back when the tv was still sat in the corner I noticed this particularly towards the end, around 2002. Things to do with dinosaurs and the history of the planet. I don't accept that just because they've got better animation they have to be written DOWN to the average Sun-reader. The whole point is to drag them UP to a more appreciative level.
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
is one of my (many) pet hates. Factual programmes do not need booming voiceovers. It's particularly notable in natural world stuff, despite the most famous and (I assume popular) examples being Attenborough's understated "here is an animal, here is some footage of the animal, here are some interesting facts about the animal" approach.

This penchant for the "EXTREEEME!" has a lot to answer for.

Re: The Golden Age of Television.

Date: 2006-09-26 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
I concur. It's a crying shame that many of these documentaries aren't available, because many of them are superior to those which have followed them.

A case in point - the production team which made Hyperland made a documentary about virtual reality called Colonising Cyberspace. Michael Hordern narrated, and it had John Perry Barlow (of the EFF), Brenda Laurel, Jaron Lanier, Howard Rheingold and William Gibson as talking heads. Like its predecessor, it used the medium to describe itself (sort of). Intelligent stuff.

Whoa. I've not seen the full version of this.

Date: 2006-09-26 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
"Also in tonight's programme: the greenhouse effect really starts to bite."
Ouch. That would be funny if it weren't so tragic. (Unfortunately, Flash has gone horribly out of sync, so I'll have to wait for the AVI version to download to see the rest.)
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
Wurgh. It started well, but I'm glad that last year's state of the art wasn't sitting in my living room with VR googles and a neon glove on, surrounded by glowing, geometric shapes.

TRON-esque visages do not good navigation interfaces make, IMO. The coughing micons interrupting each other at the Multimedia Lab part was bad enough---one of the great things about dumb, blue, underlined text is that it just sits there and shows that further contextual information exists, without trying to grab your attention.
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
VR: the technology that's always in your future. Thankfully.

That said, I always liked the coughing micons as a relatively subtle way of getting your attention by using existing human social cues.

Ted Nelson has a great rant about links-as-advertising (the link that demands that you click it) in response to the early ad banners, but that slightly misses the point. If you're in a Xanadu-like open hypertext world, which is effectively what Hyperland is, it's reasonable to expect that you can have several link anchors on the same text fragment. In this situation, it's easier to get the user to choose the desired link from those available, than to intuit the user's context and work out which link they want, so you need to give the user some way of working out which one they want.
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
I guess you got shown bits of it in Hypertext and Web Technologies, then?

That,

Date: 2006-09-26 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
and Intelligent Agents. Quite possibly even HCI. All the times I've seen it it's always been Tom's introduction and part of the customisation of him, and none of the actually useful parts demonstrating hypermedia and Tom actually doing agent-y things like finding relevant content. Usually even stopped short of the fish joke.

Presented as such, the words "Office Assistant" come to mind, which is probably why I've never considered that clip particularly good.

Re: That,

Date: 2006-09-26 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Ah, Microsoft Bob. If the Office Assistant had ever displayed as much context-awareness, proactiveness and, dare I say it, discretion and understanding of nuance as Tom the Software Agent, it would have been incredibly useful.

The annoying thing about Bob and OAs

Date: 2006-09-27 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lionsphil.livejournal.com
is that Microsoft called the tech behind them Microsoft Agents, but it was purely about the animated characters. Their idea of a multi-agent system was having two animated characters on the screen, both with their own speech bubble, walking animation, voice synthesis, pointing towards a location...

...everything except the actual, useful work that agents are supposed to do. Way to grab onto the shallow graphical parts with both hands and miss the core idea, MS. Again.

Date: 2006-09-26 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evildespot.livejournal.com
I hope I'm not being revisionist in saying that my complaint about it was when they added inline graphics, and like perdita, I said this would generate a huge waste of otherwise useful bandwidth. I stand by that, but in much the same way that Windows being a huge waste of CPU power has given us all supercomputers, the web has given us a super-internet which you means you can do the "useful" things even better than before. It's also become very useful itself, in parts. I don't think I ever said it would come to nothing, I think I said that it would be better if it did. I withdraw that now, because although it has caused lots of government interferance in Internet issues, popularisation of the Internet has been good for it, and for me. As I said, I hope I'm not trying to rewrite history, there, just because it would be a bit embarrassing :)

Date: 2006-09-26 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/
... says he, in the form of text with an inline image...

Date: 2006-09-26 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evildespot.livejournal.com
at least it's _of me_ :)

Date: 2006-09-26 04:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-26 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Granted, but there are a lot of applications and interaction styles that you couldn't build if you didn't have non-textual inline content. There's also the question of causality; did the internet and computers become faster because webpages and applications got bigger, or does the growth in page and software size anticipate future improvements in the capabilities of the infrastructure. Discuss.

I'm playing devil's advocate though. We've (thankfully) got past the point where every website replaced <ul> with a series of coloured balls, which is a step forward, but the aesthetics of the web are still largely informed by those of print media. Even with CSS and XSLT, a lot of websites overuse inline images.

Date: 2006-09-26 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jorune.livejournal.com
I remember this, very evocative. Good find.

Date: 2006-09-26 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clarehooper.livejournal.com
Ah, damnit - I've been meaning to blog with a link to that, recently! (Do you read Jill's blog? I had an amazing "Oh, I remember that" moment when she recently mentioned it!)

I have very vague memories - I'm certain I've seen it before in its entirety, but I've no idea when. I must have been fairly young at the time!

I keep meaning to read GEB, too. *adds to ever-growing list of things to do*

Date: 2006-09-27 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
The link came up on del.icio.us a few days ago, so it's quite possible that someone bookmarked it after Jill posted.

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